I did talk to Ray Sanchez, a veteran shooter, about it at the competition, and he said he wouldn’t ever flute a barrel after it had been chambered, because he was afraid it could affect accuracy. Another downside is it costs about the same as a kidney on the black market. I DIDN’T mention that above, so you would not have known that! The warranty period is only 2 years, but that was surprising (and confirmed by Schmidt and Bender representatives). This has caused us to rethink our approach. The JEC brake has outstanding recoil reduction compared to other brakes I’ve used. After checking QuickLOAD, it looked like a 24” barrel would put me right there, so that’s what I went with. That ensures it won’t shift during recoil (the mount always wants to slide forward under recoil). No deals found. The 6XC is a 1000-yard cartridge, comparable to benchrest calibers such as 6x47mm Swiss Match, 6.5×47mm Lapua and 6 mm/22-250; it fits into cartridge class that exceeds the velocities of benchrest calibers such as 6mm BR Remington, 6mm BRX and 6mm Dasher. I’ve used this mount on a magnum precision rifle for a couple years, and it is just tough and ideal in every way. Mag, but other than the stock it is STOCK! Magazines – Yep, AI mags are the way to go. A stray finger/”flier”, lost a detailed response… I’ll sleep on it, and hopefully come up with something more educational. That’s interesting. on those Noslers being accurate BC’s. One of my friends shot with him at the time, and he recalls a competition where Preston was shooting well and my friend congratulated him on his marksmanship. Those that, (TEXT, talk, eat, put make-up on, change radio stations and are intoxicated to some capacity), ARE IN A CAR, moving to FAST!!! @Get Started #1 Deal Shop for Low Price Xc 6mm Le Holder Deals Wilson Holders Case Rifle Fired .Compare Price and Options of Xc 6mm Le Holder Deals Wilson Holders Case Rifle Fired from variety stores in usa. I was using 800 ft/lbs, as a MINIMAL Terminal performance; However, it should be noted that- I was mainly thinking of Coues’ Deer and Desert Mule Deer, which are Very light skinned, as apposed to Rocky Mountain Mule Deer or Elk. So how does it shoot? 2. I’m probably closer to that second group. That is with very, very little effort on load development. I’m not a huge fan of a two stage trigger though … at least based on the ones I’ve experienced so far. But- WE are talking about Precision Rifle Shooting… It should be understood, that we are paying attention to every factor, to the best of our knowledge… Which makes the “analogy”, hard to grasp! I was originally considering getting a non-folding model of this stock with fixed length of pull (i.e. 58 Comments. That adapter quickly found its way off my rifle into a drawer somewhere. The original design was for a large rifle primer, but like I mentioned in the post on 6mm Creedmoor Load Data , some shooters prefer small rifle primers on these mid-size cartridges, so it appears that Alpha has responded to that for the 6XC. Its like that. I’m glad you’ve found the info helpful. I have been fully resizing using forester competition die set…. – Todd Hodnett. I do not have a chrono yet so am unsure of my velocities but am planning to get one at some point. I went with a direct thread suppressor to avoid that possibility, and the folding stock gives me the option to simply leave it on all the time (and it still fit in a standard size case). Hey, Rick. It might have been D.T., I can’t recall atm. Thanks for the great feedback, and all the thought you put into this. While most shooters are familiar with a folding chassis system like the AICS, it isn’t as common on this style of tactical stock. Win A Swiss ZFK-55 Surplus Straight Pull Sniper Rifle ($5000 Value!) So I thought I’d try out a JEC Customs muzzle brake on this rifle. But I definitely wanted a heavy barrel on this rifle, so this was the Manners Elite Tactical Carbon Fiber Folder was the perfect stock to pair that with. Thanks for the comments! He references someone named that/or close to that, but I can’t seem to remember the “maze” of links to get to it. It’s been about a year since the build was finished. I like the quote about BC vs velocity: “Velocity is like a new car taken off the lot… It depreciates immediately. For their folding stocks, there are 2 different forends and 2 different butt sections that you can pick from (4 possible combinations). I typically use Redding Competition dies for all my handloads, so I’m used to good dies. While that isn’t the heaviest scope out there, I’ve heard more than one shooter lovingly refer to this scope as a “boat anchor.” It probably could pull double-duty if needed. Can a car be too fast? Anyways, thanks again for all the info. Of the top 50 shooters in the PRS from this past year, most of them actually used a muzzle brake instead of a suppressor in competition. This is likely due to the reduced weight and improved maneuverability a muzzle brake provides compared to a suppressor. The 6.5 Swede is still heavy but with Atlas bipod and scope is closer to 15lbs (unlike the 18 odd lbs of the 6.5 x 47). That is weighed exactly as the rifle is shown in that first photo, including an empty AI 10 round magazine, all the butt spacers, bipod, and the JEC Muzzle Brake (no suppressor). Isn’t that ridiculous? They’re just tough. Yeah if you look at their website it says Prague, but if you go to the custom gun part, it has an Arizona, I believe Phoenix area, number. First, it is 100% carbon fiber! Haaaaa!!! I recently had custom precision rifle built by Surgeon Rifles to use for tactical/practical rifle competitions. I’ve tried a few others … and they weren’t the way to go. Here are the specific parts I bought for my Schmidt and Bender PMII 5-25×56: I got the guys at Surgeon to Cerakote the barreled action and muzzle brake in flat black. In 2011, Surgeon Rifles was purchased by Strategic Armory Corps, who also now owns McMillan Firearms and they figured there could be some synergy between those groups, although they have no plans of changing either of the products. It is touted as being one of the most accurate long-range 6 mm rounds in the world that is designed for repeating rifles. For comparison, the unfolded length with a standard muzzle brake is 46.3” and the unfolded length with the suppressor is 53.3”. I have played around with an Atlas, and still prefer the Harris for my use. I didn’t see it listed, but I’m curious to know what twist rate you ended up going with and bore diameter. I did think about a Tubb 2000 rifle. So it is less than an inch at 1200 yards … I can’t shoot between those numbers! I haven’t had as much time as I’d like to do load development with it, because I’ve been working on the scope field test. He personally runs an MTU barrel, and when I asked about the weight … he essentially said “Yeah, it’s heavy … but you want to hit what you’re aiming at don’t you? It’s amazing. Just a couple months ago, Surgeon began selling actions again, which indicates their production capacity is now aligned with the demand. That’s why some guys change barrels, not because groups open up. Cal: Ha! This item is currently unavailable for backorder. So that isn’t a huge deal to me, but is worth mentioning. If you want to see how that affects hit probability, you can check out this post I wrote: How much does muzzle velocity matter? And you’re right, I don’t know any stocks with an adjustable palm rest. Manners is actively working on revamping their website, to make it easier to navigate and understand what all they offer. The 6mm XC was initially developed specifically for NRA High Power match shooting by 11-time NRA High Power National Champion David Tubb. Glad you find this helpful. Also integral is the scope mount, which comprises a 1919 rail with a built-in 20-MOA angle, running the entire length of the action. Thanks. Honestly, there are not many shots taken standing off-hand in the precision rifle world. It may appear like a simple part, but a ton of thought was put into this design. I have been Fully entertained reading your posts, and clicking on the COUNTLESS links that you provide for further research. I’ve heard the rifles are built in AZ, but the actions are still made in Prague. I PREFER, finding a way, to be within’ 350 meters!!! It talks about bullet coating specifically, and highlights some of the results from the studies I’m aware of. But once again, since there is virtually no hard data or objective comparison available on precision rifle suppressors, I went with the next best approach to figuring out what to buy, which is looking at what the successful shooters and experts in the field are using on their rifles. Hey, Ben. My comments notwithstanding, all that remains for me to say is that is a great build and you run an outstanding blog – Well Done ! So I bought some JEC JPEGs Harris Bipod Spikes. I’m afraid I might accidentally hit it on something or it would get hung up and simply become a lever that applies mechanical force on the scope. Did it ever gain any serious consideration from your mind, to go with the ‘TK2’ in the 6XC, and put yourself up against D.T.? Great question. I was shooting better than normal that day. I’d never consider not getting an adjustable cheek, because personally I think it is worth whatever weight it adds. © Copyright 2021 PrecisionRifleBlog.com, All Rights Reserved. Also, the buyer can purchase the reamer (each used once) for $120. The Schmidt and Bender PMII 5-25×56 came with Butler Creek Scope Covers. But after running it in the competition (which involved hiking 3+ miles per day in tough terrain), I decided I’d just keep it as is. The 6XC is a cartridge created by David Tubb, “the best, and winningest, competitive rifleman in history” according to his website. The only downside of a faster twist is that you get more spin drift, but that is a deterministic factor that you can calculate before you ever lay down behind the rifle. They had almost twice as many brakes represented as any other company. With very little effort in load development, I’m averaging groups around 0.3 MOA … but I bet I can shrink that considerably with a little time and effort. He cleaned the stage (i.e. You will get Fired 6mm Holders Xc Rifle Wilson Case Holder Online Le cheap price … Is this a wish or a reality? Prices are subject to change without notice. Your blog has been awesome to read and has confirmed a lot of the impressions I had when deciding on what to build! Well, I’ve really only done some quick and dirty load development at this point … because ALL my spare time has been going to the scope field test and getting all that data published. Of course, I hear your point. McMillan Firearms makes it, which is owned by the same company that bought Surgeon Rifles a year or two ago. Ballistic Coefficient, is like a diamond… It lasts Forever”. This scope finished #1 in the field test, so it is topping my new rifle. $46.99. I went with the very popular Jewell Hunter Varmint Rifle (HVR) model trigger, which includes a safety (unlike their Benchrest BR model). Note: If you are looking for someone to chamber your rifle or re-barrel an existing rifle in the 6XC II chamber, Fred at Sabreco, Inc. in Skippack, PA (610) 584-8228 can help you with this.He has the reamers for the cartridge as well as the head space gages for the cartridge, and has had extensive experience setting up and chambering many barrels and rifles. Cal Next, I bit the bullet and bought the LaRue-improved version, which they call the Harris Bipod BRM-S and LT706 QD Swivel Mount Combo. In the process, they lightened it slightly and lowered the profile by 0.25”. The position might not be comfortable or sustainable long-term, but my first thought at every stage or even in a hunt is: “Is there any possible way I can shoot this prone? I wish the intersection of the crosshairs was open and the outer posts could be a little thicker to help when you’re dialed to a low power, but other than that, the P4L Fine is a good reticle. Let me know how you like your build when you get it. And that’s OK. We’ve never been concerned about quantity. a low ape index, then impossible to rest support arm on hip bone. Your choice was still Awesome. It sounds like an impressive operation, and a lot of world-class shooters are using them … so I thought I’d give it a shot. You can see the obvious revolution indicator on the DT model. For the first time in my life, my favorite rifle isn’t “the next one.”. This article will focus on the gunsmiths the top precision rifle competitors in the country ... Cal, very nice write up, exceptional rifle I am sure. Great question, Phil. Perhaps in the future, you could ask some of these “pro competition shooters” what caliber they would go with, for a Mid-Sized game rifle? The 6 XC caliber is touted as being one of the most accurate long-range 6 mm rounds in the world that was designed for repeating rifles. It is rock-solid, comfortable, and stiff. Keep in mind these don’t mount like typical scope covers. Scopes are all we make. If you’re going to do it, do it right! – Sir Henry Royce (Co-founder of Rolls Royce), Tags 5R Barrel 6XC Berger 105 Hybrid Bipod Spikes Custom Gunsmith Custom Rifle Folding Stock Harris Bipod Hodgdon H4350 JEC Muzzle Brake Jewell Trigger Krieger Barrels LaRue Harris Bipod Manners Carbon Fiber Stock Manners Stocks Schmidt and Bender Spuhr Mount Surgeon 591 Action Surgeon Bottom Metal Surgeon Rifles TBAC Suppressor Tenebraex Scope Covers Thunder Beast. In fact, Ray told me he did an experiment in 2011 while competing in the Steel Safari, which is a competition that attracts talented shooters from across the nation. That may have more to do with what I’m able to hold and less about what the rifle is capable of. Again, thank you for your time and willingness to share. It almost killed me. HBN coating absolutely does reduce barrel friction, which is why your muzzle velocity drops with the same exact powder charge using coated bullets versus naked bullets. I’ve met a few outstanding marksmen from OK. It’s crazy they were born in such a tiny town. I personally can’t see myself taking a shot beyond that, unless it was absolutely ideal conditions and the range was known. But I have a reputation of over-thinking everything that I need to maintain! This item is extremely nice product. Overall gentleman used a target shooters standing position. They were probably right, because I love the balance of the rifle I ended up with. What we lose in subsonic flight is the loss of BC due to the loss of gyroscopic stability, which allows more oscillation, which is basically more drag, which is loss of BC. I have Norma 6XC brass and am using H4350 powder and settled on 38.6 grains after performing a ladder test at 200 yards. Calibers Brands. Hardener and paint chemically bond into an ultra-thin coating that adheres to almost any surface for a clean, professional finish. including magazine, bipod, scope, mount, etc)? My muzzle velocity is currently running at 3,010 fps, so it looks like it was right on track. Norma 6mm XC Ammunition 105 Grain Hybrid Target 50 Rounds. Ha! So that is what I ended up going with. I should have included that in the post. I use that rifle hunting for mule deer in the sand dunes, and I didn’t like the open ports in the bottom of the Jewell trigger for that environment. Overall, this is just a very well thought out system. In 2004, Surgeon Rifles was born and they started making both actions and a few custom rifles and over time both the number of action and complete rifles they produce had tremendous growth. One big difference is they’re 100% focused on rifle scopes. Aren’t all muzzle brakes the same? Complete Rifles & Custom Builds, Gunsmiths, Rifle Scopes, Stocks & Chassis Like most things LaRue produces, it feels so solid. I also like that the magazine release is outside of the trigger guard. We just aren’t compatible. Thankfully, bullet makers are coming out some amazing bullets in all of these! Wow. Anything moving faster than a human can walk, is WRONG, being operated by someone NOT paying attention to ALL the factors and details. So that had me leaning towards the 1:7.5 twist. Cal- That seems to be what modern case designers are targets, and that is what the 6XC offers. Unauthorized use and/or duplication of this content, data, or other materials is strictly prohibited without prior express and written permission from the author. So we’re shaving a little weight, plus getting the benefit from the carbon fiber’s added strength and stiffness. Jewell Triggers are the gold standard for precision bolt action rifles. From your comments on the other posts, it sounds like you’re mostly interested in off-hand standing stuff. I like small groups when I hand load, but but like to shoo... Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives 4.0 International License, Caliber Choice – I’m not sure what 6.5mm cartridge you’re shooting, but if it’s a similar mid-size cartridges like the 6.5 Creedmoor, there actually isn’t a ballistic advantage … at least not looking at the cartridges setup in similar barrel lengths and safe loading pressures. Most guys I see shooting offhand use an AI mag as the palm rest. What would you do different if you were to do it again? I’ll have to check them out! Mfr Part: PCC6MMXCSRP500. Suppressor – All the more reason to move south, right?! 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How do you resize your cases? IN the event, that you have not had much time (if any) on looking into the ‘Huber Concepts’ trigger, here is a link, to a guy on YouTube.com that I enjoy watching. He has had a few barrel lengths, and I’ve. Benchmark weight is the Steyr SSG. Of course, it already rings a lot of steel. Cartridge: 6 mm XC. How painful do you think that was?! Surgeon started with Terry’s bottom metal design, but modded it to work in a standard McMillan stock. There is ZERO creep, and the break is clean and consistent every time. I wanted to know what the best scope was, so I’d know what to mount on this rifle. I’m not one of those guys who contains to add a couple kernels to keep it at that same velocity. Sell your 6mm rifles for FREE today on GunsAmerica! – Todd Hodnett. But the 6.5’s lethal range on deer of 700 yards is probably enough to not be the limiting factor for most. I told the first person who asked that I’d guess it was just under $10k … but that was apparently pretty optimistic! It’s a lot of work (and some may be completely unnecessary). A trigger can’t possibly get any better. I do love this rifle. It isn’t exactly the same rifle Tubb created, but it is very cool … maybe cooler. ABSOLUTELY!!! Following this I took the rifle out into the hills and set up on a 650 meter target achieving first round hits consistently on a 15x15cm rock. I started by buying a Harris RBA-1 RotaPod Adapter. which have Amazing BC’s. When guys like that talk, you listen. Tighter machining clearances are apparent when manipulating the bolt, which glides in raceways that are cut with a wire EDM, rather than being broached. $50 off $500. That means you don’t have to lift their head from behind the scope or could make adjustments in pitch black. PJ you might be right about the coating consistency. Would I change anything on the Swede – no because I have worked hard to change from having a belly bipod mindset to hits on and centre mass with my Tactical rifles. For those few who are willing to step out of the comfort zone of the past, I see great things for long range when we start really optimizing our twist rates with our wonderful new high-BC bullets. I don’t plan to use any bullets under 105gr, and I typically subscribe to Todd Hodnett’s approach of leaning towards faster twist rates. In the mid nineties I actually used to deer hunt and fish on a buddies parents land in Payden which is the town, if you could even call it that, directly to the east of Prague. Honestly people that quote figures like that like it is an unquestionable law are ridiculous. I don’t have that trigger yet, but it was HIGH on the list, along with the 6.5 Creedmoor. Schmidt and Bender scopes top some of the most elite sniper rifles throughout the world, and their performance and durability in the field is legendary. OK, there is my “fan-boy” introduction describing how appreciative I am, of your Blog. So I did go against his recommendation a little on this. The measurable accuracy improvement he found in his action design, was surprising even to him. I either need to pick up some more 6 Creed brass and a new barrel or I could make a switch. This rifle and cartridge combined with the JEC muzzle brake is AWESOME!!! Factory brass is available from Norma and Peterson. Just went out to the shop and weighed it, and tips the scales just under 18 pounds (287.6 ounces to be exact). Here is an excerpt from an article he wrote in the 2013 edition of SNIPER magazine titled The Future of Twist Rates: Thought: What if we shot bigger bullets with higher BCs and faster twist rates to maximize performance- and were able to get even more performance, but with lower velocities, which would extend our barrel life? Looks like you thought that all through though before commissioning the build. Some of the gunsmiths I talked to about this project thought the same thing, so it was a point of concern. Who knows … I might use them both in both areas. Sort By: Items 1 to 24 of 31 total . Have you ever had a chance to get some time on a ‘Huber Concepts’ two-stage trigger? . It’s a heavy rifle, but a shooter! Removing the roll pins from the OEM feet can be a chore if you’ve used it for a while. I would like to run an Atlas at some point too, because I don’t have any experience with those either. There is no such thing as overkill, and it has outstanding ballistics (external and terminal). I currently run my triggers at 1 pound 10 ounces, so that really isn’t an issue for me … but I know guys who like them under 1.5 pounds, and you can’t do that with the Timney. For example, if you need to adjust from 0.0 to 0.1, you may spin past it to 0.3 or 0.4 and then have to back off a few clicks to get to 0.1 (hopefully without landing back on 0.0 and repeating the whole process). When I clicked on this website, I knew rather quickly, that it was going to become a place I would spend A LOT of time!!! With this rifle, I’d rather go too heavy, than go too light and be left wondering if it a heavier contour would’ve performed better. Be hard to toss a $300 bipod though! 16 other products in the same category: ... Peterson 6 XC (SRP+) Brass Cartridge Cases - 100 per bag Small Rifle Primer 100 per bag Price R2,465.00 On this turret those are on every whole number (0.0, 1.0, 2.0, etc.). This is why I did that crazy, in-depth scope field test. Once you’ve seen things our way, you’ll never look at -or through-a rifle scope the same way again. What’s your solution? Filter 6mm XC Rifle Deals. It’s just a harder design, so there aren’t a lot out there. I designed it with hunting in mind, and have used it to take some big animals. Extremely enviable build and great write up. Rifle; 6mm XC; 6mm XC. Our current “Cover Story” for the website is about the 6XC Cartridge.German Salazar, a top prone shooter who has won the Arizona NRA Long-Range Championship using the 6XC, reveals how to get the most accuracy out of the cartridge. Just enter your email to receive notifications of new posts. What is the weight of the competition rifle you mentioned fully loaded (i.e. While I’m sure they’re technically some form of plastic like the Butler Creek, they feel more rubbery/malleable and less rigid/brittle. Pardon me if I missed this, but did you have the mini chassis system built into the Manners stock? Looks like it is $11,550 if you include all the stuff I highlighted in the post. Norma (2) Peterson Cartridge Company (1) Sort Filter Sort Products Sort by: View: Page 1/1 NORMA AMMO 6MM XC 105gr HPBT MOLY 50/bx 6/cs . Suppressors can really heat up, and this ensures the created by that heat doesn’t disrupt your sight picture. I watched the guy in the photo hit steel … but we didn’t gather any of the stats you’re asking about. You’re exactly right. Thanks man, that means a lot coming from you. 6mm rifles for sale and auction. The numbers on the Schmidt and Bender PMII scope are huge, and easy to read from behind the gun, even while under stress. Brand. Cerakote is an extremely durable, weather- and corrosion-proof, ceramic-based protective finish that resists scratching, chipping, and abrasive cleaning solvents. The fit and finish, and attention to small details are impeccable. I remember Todd Hodnett, one of the premiere long-range rifle trainers in the world, said he conducted an experiment with the LaRue quick detach mount. I appreciate it. And I’ve been able to get a lot better groups than that on occasion. (Of course, it still has a lot to do with the nut behind the gun!). This is especially true for the Schmidt and Bender MTC turret, because it has a stiffer clicks than most scopes.
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